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    Prices, info?

    Post by Tyler Bolles on Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:01 pm

    Is there a way to find out what models of bass cabs are available and what the prices are?  I've searched around, bugged Mike a few times by email to no avail!

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    Post by biodad on Fri Sep 20, 2013 11:45 pm

    Well, looks like no one is gonna reply so i'll take a shot at it. Prices? Any cab is $13. How'd I do?
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    Post by Steve Regier on Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:03 am

    Tyler, that is avery good question. The bass cabinet product line has been in development but here is a list of products currently available. Pricing is MAP. Contact Mike for special pricing if available:

    5" SERIES
    MAS 25 basic (no tweeter) $650
    MAS 25 $750
    MAS 45 $1,100
    MAS 85 $1,300

    10" FLEX SERIES
    MAS 110 FLEX $1,450
    MAS 210 FLEX $1,750

    10" PURE SERIES
    MAS 110 PURE $1,175
    MAS 210 PURE $1,375

    10" SUB SERIES with pole mount and crossover
    MAS 110 SUB $975
    MAS 210 SUB $1,175

    Pricing is minimum advertised price and is subject to change without notice. Mike as of now is offering introductory pricing. Mike also offers accessories like a gig bag for the 25s contact him for details.


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    Post by Steve Regier on Sat Sep 21, 2013 12:03 am

    biodad wrote:Well, looks like no one is gonna reply so i'll take a shot at it. Prices?  Any cab is $13.  How'd I do?
    Wait for it.....clown 


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    Post by Tyler Bolles on Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:44 am

    Thanks, Steve!
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    Post by lo-freq on Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:30 pm

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    Post by mikearnopol on Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:18 pm

    Just to let people know---I'm doing "introductory pricing" until year end. It's a lot less than the prices Steve listed. Contact me for details

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    Post by GK Breivik on Wed Sep 25, 2013 2:21 am

    Mike,
    I understand what the 5" series, the Flex series, and the sub series are.

    Are the Pure series cabs essentially one of the 5" cabs in the same box with a sub?

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    Post by 870skitzofrenzy on Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:04 am

    Pretty sure it's same as the flex, without the switching capability. But I'm sure mike will have a better explanation Smile
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    Post by Steve Regier on Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:45 pm

    That is correct. The Pure series is the Flex series with a set voicing: no switching.


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    Post by tabooze24 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:22 pm

    I have a couple of questions that can hopefully be clarified.

    First, how does the dispersion of bige bass cabs compare to conventional bass cabs like bergantino or Genz Benz. I find that when I'm using the standard back line stuff I really need to find the sweet spot on stage to hear myself how I want to.

    Second, how does the dispersion compare to the Fearful variety of bass cabinets?

    Would it be possible to get a breakdown of all the Bige bass cab models stating their intended uses (I.e. double bass or electric), their volume output relative to the conventional stuff, and their dimensions/weight?

    There are so many models to choose from its quite confusing! I know there are 5", 6", 8", and 10” drivers available...
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    Post by Steve Regier on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:44 am

    tabooze24 wrote:I have a couple of questions that can hopefully be clarified.

    First, how does the dispersion of bige bass cabs compare to conventional bass cabs like bergantino or Genz Benz. I find that when I'm using the standard back line stuff I really need to find the sweet spot on stage to hear myself how I want to.

    Second, how does the dispersion compare to the Fearful variety of bass cabinets?

    Would it be possible to get a breakdown of all the Bige bass cab models stating their intended uses (I.e. double bass or electric), their volume output relative to the conventional stuff, and their dimensions/weight?

    There are so many models to choose from its quite confusing! I know there are 5", 6", 8", and 10” drivers available...
    Questions one and two have the same answer: The dispersion of the BigE MVW or more specifically the MAS MVW bass cabinets is like no others. The "sweet spot" is about the entire stage. The one issue is that the player may not get enough mid/high information when standing directly over the loudspeaker. That is why Mike has incorporated up-swept braces in the output flares to direct more information upwards. The Flex series have a lean-back in the top section to mitigate this and the 10" add-on sub modules come with a pole mount for the top to put the cabinet at the player's ear. Others just place the loudspeaker on a chair (also a technique employed in a boomy environment) or place a wedge at the front. FYI the placement on a chair has only a limited attenuation effect on bass production since the output flares are not coupled to the floor. Only the cones of the radiators are. Here is a video made by DirtPoorRobins demonstrating the coverage of his MVW rig. It is a MAS-110s sub module and a MAS-45 DB cabinet on a pole above it. The rig is in the center of the frame at the video start behind the player and facing the camera:
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    Some of the confusion is merely from watching product development in real time here on the web. Maybe I can clarify:
    The 5" series is primarily intended for DB with the exception of the 45 and 85 which could be used for 4 string electric. However, add a sub module MAS-110s or 210s underneath a 5" now you have a really good electric rig.
    The Flex series is designed around electric 5 string but will do quite well with either DB or electric.
    There is a 6" under development for a compact electric powerhouse.
    All the cabinets make good PA mains as well.
    Please refer to my post several spots above for a list of the current product line.
    As for comparisons; that is best left to Mike and others who are using the MVWs.

    I am working with Mike at this time to build and launch his website. We will have the complete lineup and statistics published there.

    Thanks to everyone for your interest and patience while we finalize the product and get ready for official launch.


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    Post by Steve Regier on Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:54 am

    Here is a comparison Mike wrote some time ago:

    "To get a reasonable starting point we go by the air volume displaced by the speaker. With conventional speakers it's the area of the cone times excursion max.

    With the Big E due to the contribution of the rear wave you multiply by 2.5. To be a bit more conservative let's say 2.25

    the 5" woofer has a Vd of 42cc's. That's how much air it can move. So times 2.25=94.5cc's

    The 6 winds up being 165cc's

    The 8 is a whopping 419cc's.


    NOW--

    a Kappalite 3012lf 12" woofer is 496

    A Kappatile 3015lf 15" is a crazy 844

    A Deltalite 10" (pretty much as big as you'll see in a 10) is only 147

    So--an 8x10 cab will be around 1176 cc's

    A super 12 cab is about 496

    A super 15 cab is 844

    A 210 is 294

    A 410 is 588


    OK to compare

    a 45 (4x5) is 378

    a 65 is 567

    an 85 is 756

    a 26 (2x6.5) is 330

    a 46 is 660

    a 66 is 990

    a 28 is 838

    a 48 is 1676


    So to compete with a 410 you have

    a 65

    a 46


    to compete with a super 12

    a 65

    a 46 is a lot louder


    to compete with a super 15

    an 85 will do it--I've had them head to head if you go with the 2.5 ratio it's 840cc's

    a 28

    the 46 comes close---again when you go with 2.5 it comes out to 733


    to compete with a 610

    a 28

    a 66 will beat it

    an 85 will be very close


    to compete with an 810

    two 65's

    two 46's

    a 48 will beat it pretty easily


    to compete with a 212

    a 66

    a 28 will come close


    to compete with a 215

    a 48

    two 46's are pretty close

    these have proved pretty close to accurate in my experience. As far as the 10's---most are within these parameters. A small few 10" cabs use custom oem drivers that have Vd's of more than 147cc's. Not most, though."

    This is strictly an empirical comparison. Your mileage may vary but I wouldn't post it if I thought it were inaccurate or misleading. Please also note that the 6" and 8" cabinets are prototypes only and are here for comparison.


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    Post by BIGREDSIX on Sun Dec 01, 2013 11:39 am

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    Post by Steve Regier on Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:46 pm

    A little loudspeaker porn... the MAS-46 production prototype:

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    Post by Tyler Bolles on Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:03 am

    Is there an updated list of currently available models (including the MASx6-ers) with prices?
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    Post by Steve Regier on Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:58 pm

    Great question. I have been pushing Mike hard on this. We will have a price/product list and an e-commerce site ready for Mike this week.

    The issue has been the rapid evolution of the MVW technology in conjunction with Mike's relentless pursuit of the ultimate bass loudspeaker. His A.D.D. side is always going in many directions and he is always looking for ways to improve the product. The in-house joke about Mike is: Bring him a prototype that does everything he specified and more. He will play it and say, "That's the best cabinet I've ever heard... Now fix it!". The benefit is you get some amazing products. The downside is trying to corral all that creative energy into a cohesive business model and product line.
    I promise a complete product catalog and a website for Mike Arnopol Soundworks will be published this week.


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    Post by Tyler Bolles on Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:13 pm

    That's good news! Thanks.
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    Post by Steve Regier on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:53 am

    Tyler, here is the catalog. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Were are still finalizing the information but I think this will at least whet your appetite.


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